The concept behind Clone sounds freakily supernatural: the gadget promises to create an exact duplication of a signature. It was good enough to make FISM judges disqualify J.C. Rodarte because he appeared to be cheating and it recently scored a win for Adam Wilber on Penn & Teller: Fool Us. It’s now available for sale, but lots of magicians still have questions about what the heck is going on with Clone.

If you are one of those quizzical folks, then check out this Q&A by Christophe Jelinski of Magic Mind with Clone’s creator. It’s a 25-minute video that covers the development of the tool into a commercial product, its distinctions from Rodarte’s limited-run Miracle Maker, and where he got the idea for the whole thing.

Now that you know more about Clone and Rodarte, here he is giving another demonstration of how it can be used in a wild riff on Three-card Monte.