Finding the right ending is difficult for any narrative pursuit, whether you’re writing or performing magic. In the second part of our GeniiCon 2017 interview, Curtis Kam offers some advice on cliches to avoid when ending a trick, and tips on what to look for when coming up with an ending.

For the rest of our interview, check out the links below:

Part one: On discovering coin magic in Hawaii

Part three: On finding your own voice

Part four: On crafting stories around magic

Part five: Advice to new magicians: “Find a mentor”

Part six: Curtis Kam’s fascination with the Museum of Broken Relationships

Part seven: Watch Curtis Kam make coins appear out of thin air