We missed this one back when it aired around Christmastime, but the BBC 4 science/geek podcast the Infinite Monkey Cage did a deep dive on the psychology of magic. Hosts Brian Cox and Robin Ince gathered illusionist Andy Nyman, psychology professor and magician Richard Wiseman, comedian Diane Morgan, and theology professor Francesca Stavrakopoulou to chat about magic on stage. Together, they discuss about the difference between magicians and quack paranormalists, the history of myths and miracles in religion (apparently demons don’t like corners?), skeptics, and more. You can check it out at the podcast’s official page on BBC 4, or have a listen via the YouTube mirror embedded above.