Magic can mean many things to many people. In the last part of our interview with renowned close-up magician Bernard Bilis, the illusionist describes what magic means to him with two simple words. He also talks about what he gets out of TV show performances, as well how different countries and cultures react to his magic.

For more clips from the interview, check out the links below:

Part one: On making your brain work by learning magic from books

Part two: Bernard Bilis prefers close-up because you can “you can make it all around the world with only a pack of cards”

Part three: Bernard Bilis’ favorite trick? “The next one”

Part four: On posting magic online: “If they see everything on the web, they don’t come to see the lecture”