Perfecting your stage presence is a never-ending practice for magicians. The smallest things can totally change the impact of a performance, from a word to a body position. Or, to hear Mario Lopez tell it, even the slightest facial expression is important. 

The Spanish magician is the latest guest on the Discourse in Magic podcast, and he delved into some less obvious aspects of performing magic. He draws his theatrical style from inspirations ranging from clowns to Charlie Chaplin. A glance at any one of his many clips on Instagram show just how evocative an eyebrow can be.

You can listen to this week’s Discourse in Magic episode on the show’s website, on Apple Podcasts, on Android, or on your RSS feed.