For you magic fans looking for a little education this weekend, check out the latest episode of the Discourse in Magic podcast. This show features cardistry expert Sean O as the guest, and he has a lively conversation with co-hosts Jonah Babin and Tyler Williams about that community of performers. They cover the role of the internet and social media, putting a price tag on a trick, and what the future might hold for cardistry as a performance art.

The episode is available on the podcast’s website, or you can listen from iTunes or on your Android device.